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Post by dmass4life18 on Nov 2, 2018 10:25:21 GMT -2
This is a tragic incident that happened at Damascus. Sickening allegations. What’s just as bad is getting on here and seeing how random people around the county are just assuming things cause it’s what they remember. Well I a player in those locker rooms not too long ago. I will say this those of you that think the varsity team cares about what jv does in the locker room are besides themselves. The only times both teams are there is during preseason 2 days. As for the where are the coaches during this? You’re telling me you want the coaches in there watching them change?? Uhm no that would cause us more problems. The fact is something terrible happened when the kids are supposed to be responsible and ready for me practice or study hall. No one asks about the people who raise these idiots just want to blame the adults who give their everything for these kids. It’s a sad sitauation but just like media sucks everyone on here is just as bad. There will be consequences for the program as there should be. But for everyone to think this type of hazing happens often and is accepted and washed under at Damascus is super mistaken. When will it be the kids fault those 3 kids should be expelled from moco and then we move on. All the details will come out in the investigation we will see if it is truly as terrible as the allegations. My heart goes out to the rest of the Damascus community as we figure out how to overcome this horrible incident. I don’t like calling individuals out, but you’re little quip about coaches being in the locker room really speaks to the person you are. When I say coaches in the lockerroom, I mean when students begin to file out of the lockeroom, that a coach is present to make sure everyone is out. A coach is similar to teaching, in that you are required to be supervising a group large or small. To your other point, yes I am making a guess that this wasn’t isolated but it’s an educated guess. It is more likely that incidents occurred, and they escalated in severity....rather than this being a scenario where it goes from 0-100. Kids aren’t going to try that unless there’s a culture established where they can get away with plenty. Yes, parents need to be better. But in this case, the adults watching the kids on school grounds need to be better. They didn’t do their job, plain and simple. I ask you to take a look in the mirror, and remove the name Damascus from this situation. You’re trying to minimalize the severity because you like Damascus, and that’s just not right. Anyone who allows hazing to be fostered in an athletic program should be removed. I’m not sure why you’re attacking the media either. I mean I hear ya. You can think about me however you want. It’s not all about the name. I’ve coached at other places. These kids aren’t dumb. If they want to do something they will figure out how. I understand the coaches are held responsible. I just don’t think the coach going to clear the locker room would’ve helped this. I’m trying minimize the severity because I think we need to realize where the serverity lies. Bottom line the kids that did this have issues and it is unacceptable. It’s a shame that the decision made by 3 kids gets blamed on many adults. That’s my point. Not I love Damascus this is bulls***. It’s about that these kids made a mistake they should be held accountable for their actions without it ruining the ones who were not involved. Mind you if it comes out that it was known about throughout the staff etc. then obviously my stance changes. I’m still naive enough to believe no one knew. Oh well.
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Post by fbcoach on Nov 2, 2018 10:26:11 GMT -2
How about blaming the kid who committed the CRIME!! Bottom line, as a coach, you can't imagine your kid doing something so despicable. I was a crime, the kid made the choice to commit a crime, and he is the one who should be held responsible. If you can show that the program in anyway condoned this behavior, or if you hade repeated incidences of bullying behavior, THEN you can hold a coach accountable. It sounds like the CRIME was reported immediately, and that the staff and school turned it over to the police immediately. As a head coach, I can't fathom one of my kids doing that to another person. The coaches could have been in the locker room, doing laundry, fixing equipment, talking with another player. I don't know how the football locker room at Damascus is set up, but coaches don't stand there and watch kids get dressed. I feel very badly for the victim of this CRIME. I hope the perpetrator is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Unfortunately, not all crimes can be prevented.
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Post by dmass4life18 on Nov 2, 2018 10:32:07 GMT -2
Agreed but once again. Why is it the adults fault that kid do this horrible thing. So you want to coach to stand at locker room door and wait. Ok 2 weeks later kid goes home “ mommy coach was looking at me weird when I was changing”. That is not what we want. The fault is on the 3 kids involved 2 holding down 1 with alleged stick. It’s not the coaches fault. They trust in their team to do what they are supposed to do. When a kid makes a mistake they are punished to learn their lesson. If invenstigation come out that it’s happened multiple times and everyone knew I will be appauled. As for now the kids are at fault they have to be held accountable for their choice. The adults were not the ones doing this absurd thing. Never said standing there!!! Coaches need to make sure the locker room is cleared out before going to practice. Also do a quick sweep through the locker room make sure the players are not doing anything they arnt suppose to do (vape, broomsticks, etc...) This is on the adults as much as it is on the players. Parents should feel safe letting their kids play football under the care of a coach and that trust was broken. I understand your a Dmass fan and you will defend them to the day you die. But an adult will be held accountable for this and it will fall hard on the head coach of varsity who oversees every coach and player.
I hear you on that. It’s tough when the teams do not practice at the same time. When varsity is going out jv is still there. They are supposed to be. sure at the time the coaches walked through all was peachy. I know It will be a coach that takes the fall which is how it goes these days. It’s just disappointing that the coach has to take a fall for this. This would be my stance at Kennedy Northwood and all the other 23 teams in county.
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Post by dmass4life18 on Nov 2, 2018 10:33:06 GMT -2
How about blaming the kid who committed the CRIME!! Bottom line, as a coach, you can't imagine your kid doing something so despicable. I was a crime, the kid made the choice to commit a crime, and he is the one who should be held responsible. If you can show that the program in anyway condoned this behavior, or if you hade repeated incidences of bullying behavior, THEN you can hold a coach accountable. It sounds like the CRIME was reported immediately, and that the staff and school turned it over to the police immediately. As a head coach, I can't fathom one of my kids doing that to another person. The coaches could have been in the locker room, doing laundry, fixing equipment, talking with another player. I don't know how the football locker room at Damascus is set up, but coaches don't stand there and watch kids get dressed. I feel very badly for the victim of this CRIME. I hope the perpetrator is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Unfortunately, not all crimes can be prevented. Well said. That’s what I was trying to state.
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Post by mocofootballfan on Nov 2, 2018 10:37:20 GMT -2
“When you’re the Head Coach, you’re the Head Coach 24/7. No matter what, it’s on your watch, and to a degree, it’s your problem.”-Bill Belichick
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Post by bigd on Nov 2, 2018 10:40:46 GMT -2
The best thing anyone can do right now is let the MCPD do their job. Speculating on who knew what and starting rumors and allegations doesn't do anyone any good. This isn't about football, this is about CHILDREN whose lives have been forever altered. The facts will eventually come out and those responsible will have to answer for them. Can we just leave it at that? Why wait for facts?? This is a free for all thread amongst Damascus haters who know exactly what happened and what should happen to the varsity team. They seem to know every detail already without investigation, without knowing JV/Varsity schedules, without knowing the program, coaches, etc. They’ve thrown out other names and allegations without facts...it’s just absurd.
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Post by oldtimemoco on Nov 2, 2018 10:41:56 GMT -2
“When you’re the Head Coach, you’re the Head Coach 24/7. No matter what, it’s on your watch, and to a degree, it’s your problem.”-Bill Belichick That’s coming from a professional coach, making millions of dollars. Not a teacher, getting a 12k stipend.
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Post by primetime on Nov 2, 2018 10:48:54 GMT -2
MCPS should be held accountable for transferring violent kids from school to school! This is getting crazy smh...the accused students were they known to be "violent kid" before they transferred in? Is MCPS transferring violent kids from school to school? If so we have a major problem in Moco. I guess we have a major problem theb
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Post by iwasthere on Nov 2, 2018 10:52:13 GMT -2
“When you’re the Head Coach, you’re the Head Coach 24/7. No matter what, it’s on your watch, and to a degree, it’s your problem.”-Bill Belichick That’s coming from a professional coach, making millions of dollars. Not a teacher, getting a 12k stipend. So the amount of money you make correlates to the amount of awful things that can go on under your supervision? That is not how we should view dispicable acts like this
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Post by terry238 on Nov 2, 2018 10:52:41 GMT -2
THE crazy thing is, this isn’t even the worst sexual assault charge against Damascus. There is worse news involving them. I don’t know if it’ll ever come out, but if you know, you know... "If you know, you know..." That makes it sound like theres some secret club of people that know about something horrible that has happened involving Damascus Football, but there is some secret code that keeps it under wraps. "But if you know (about something probably horrible, and illegal) you know (and what....? you keep it a secret because who cares about what happened to the victim(s) as long as the football team and some key players are OK?)" I dont get that at all. Sounds pretty messed up to me. there are things that have "happened" up there a lot of people dont know about, but its stuff that was never stated as true which is why he cant really speak on it if were talking about the same thing. Id say its a little bit more then a rumor because there was a lot of detail and evidence supporting it, but nothing was ever done about so nothing can really be said about it if its true or not. If you'd like to know listen closely to the conversations or things said to a Certain star on there d line during games.
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Post by trojan123 on Nov 2, 2018 10:54:52 GMT -2
"If you know, you know..." That makes it sound like theres some secret club of people that know about something horrible that has happened involving Damascus Football, but there is some secret code that keeps it under wraps. "But if you know (about something probably horrible, and illegal) you know (and what....? you keep it a secret because who cares about what happened to the victim(s) as long as the football team and some key players are OK?)" I dont get that at all. Sounds pretty messed up to me. there are things that have "happened" up there a lot of people dont know about, but its stuff that was never stated as true which is why he cant really speak on it if were talking about the same thing. Id say its a little bit more then a rumor because there was a lot of detail and evidence supporting it, but nothing was ever done about so nothing can really be said about it if its true or not. If you'd like to know listen closely to the conversations or things said to a Certain star on there d line during games. Why write that if your not gonna tell us what was said???
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Post by Nomad on Nov 2, 2018 10:54:55 GMT -2
You guys have generally done a good job with this.
Except for the two people who decided to throw out names.
Remember this is a crime, involving children, that is currently being investigated.
I dont like getting calls from law enforcement in reference to some nonsense somebody posted.
Stick to the known facts, please.
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Post by Louie on Nov 2, 2018 10:56:39 GMT -2
" If you'd like to know listen closely to the conversations or things said to a Certain star on there d line during games. Whisper 2000 anybody?
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Post by trojan123 on Nov 2, 2018 10:56:58 GMT -2
You guys have generally done a good job with this. Except for the two people who decided to throw out names. Remember this is a crime, involving children, that is currently being investigated. I dont like getting calls from law enforcement in reference to some nonsense somebody posted. Stick to the known facts, please. Never use names unless its for a good purpose because they are still minors.
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Post by terry238 on Nov 2, 2018 10:58:02 GMT -2
I agree as well. Lets be honest if this was at university the head coach would be placed on leave. And if it did occur in the locker room then it is on the coaches/adults because they should be supervise in that locker room. Both JV and Varsity should be held accountable because there is no way the entire varsity team didn't know about this. The big question is if varsity players did know about this how will the county/school proceed with handling this? Varsity didn’t know. They don’t care what jv does. They are worried about doing their job. It’s sad that some idiot transfer could come in and ruin everything we have all in the community built. For everyone to think dmass is like everyone else and they go get transfers etc. no one that has grew up in system likes it when new guys come in and don’t know how to be a part of something bigger then themselves. The decision this kid made is on him. He was selfish and it would be a shame to see the whole community go down for something an outsider did. Someone that didn’t go through the grind that the rest of us did ruins it. That’s the shame. The win streak isn’t the only streak that’s up for stakes. The playoff streak might be just as impressive. And that streak isn’t something these kids built they kept it going like we all did. You cat just say it was the one player fault that he did this. If a transfer is able to come into a team like this and bring his own culture into a team like dmass then theirs a issue. Regardless of that its very unlikely a one person thing or three people, a football team is a family they know everything about each other and to say that it was one player or three or just the jv is crazy. I hope they look further into this
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