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Post by lancer78 on Oct 10, 2019 15:38:11 GMT -2
We're in the MVYFL which seems competitive with Linganore, Middletown, Urbana, Oakdale, Walkersville and other strong feeder programs. How do other leagues around the DMV compare? i.e. What league(s) are QO and NW feeder programs in...does MoCo have their own league? Damascus used to be in MVFL but left (anyone know the real reason?) for CCYFL where Clarksburg and Olney are in.
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Post by oldmoco on Oct 11, 2019 11:08:36 GMT -2
I could be wrong and you would probably know better than me Trenches, but I heard from someone the other day that Sandy Spring football is pretty much done. They only have 1 team left with few players and it is a 13U team. Again I got this info second hand, so could be wrong. Is this true?
I have coached in the MVYFL, Mid Maryland, RFL, and CCYFL. I think for the most part it is cyclical and there are good and not so good teams in each. Capital Beltway and Mid-Maryland always have some very good athletes and teams. I think currently CCYFL is probably slightly (very slightly) ahead of MVYFL and RFL due to a few of the programs they have, but overall all three are probably relatively close. Either way each of the high schools that have feeder programs from any of these leagues are in a much better place. Really only takes 4-6 decent players from each of these leagues to feed into a high school each year to help them out, more is better of course (Damascus).
There is currently no Montgomery County league but I have heard grumblings, so never say never. There are definitely enough programs in Montgomery county to make it happen, we will see. RFL may disagree and say they are one, but I think RFL is slightly different, everyone playing on the same field is one difference for sure.
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Post by Clarksburg_Coyotes on Oct 11, 2019 17:23:11 GMT -2
I could be wrong and you would probably know better than me Trenches, but I heard from someone the other day that Sandy Spring football is pretty much done. They only have 1 team left with few players and it is a 13U team. Again I got this info second hand, so could be wrong. Is this true? I have coached in the MVYFL, Mid Maryland, RFL, and CCYFL. I think for the most part it is cyclical and there are good and not so good teams in each. Capital Beltway and Mid-Maryland always have some very good athletes and teams. I think currently CCYFL is probably slightly (very slightly) ahead of MVYFL and RFL due to a few of the programs they have, but overall all three are probably relatively close. Either way each of the high schools that have feeder programs from any of these leagues are in a much better place. Really only takes 4-6 decent players from each of these leagues to feed into a high school each year to help them out, more is better of course (Damascus). There is currently no Montgomery County league but I have heard grumblings, so never say never. There are definitely enough programs in Montgomery county to make it happen, we will see. RFL may disagree and say they are one, but I think RFL is slightly different, everyone playing on the same field is one difference for sure. I wouldn't doubt it. I have seen Sandy Spring coaches going over to Olney and Sandy Spring players going over to Olney. The problem Sandy Spring has is that they would rather win football games with kids who are not local than be a feeder program. This has come back to bite them, because when the non-local all star kids stopped playing for Sandy Spring, all the local kids had switched over to Olney so they could actually play. Not having a lot of local kids also meant that Sandy Spring doesn't get much help from Sherwood in terms of camps and letting Sandy Spring use the field from time to time. Sandy Spring was left with their you know what in their hands and joined the RFL because they don't have their own fields like Olney does. Now, they're failing because they made a deal with the devil, win football games in the short term with non-local kids and suffer long term when local kids wise up and switch over to Olney. I'm afraid this isn't going to get much better for Sandy Spring either. The only reason I can fathom for why they are able to field a 13U team is because Olney's 13U team is 0-5 and Sandy Spring has likely lumped together they're 12 and 13 year olds in 13U. You look at the 10U and 11U Olney teams, they are both top teams in the CCYFL, so by the time those kids are 12 and 13, Sandy Spring might not have a football program anymore. I think this is better for Sherwood football and youth football in Olney and Sandy Spring as a whole. Not splitting kids with Sandy Spring means Olney doesn't have to bring in as many non-local kids and in turn leads to a lot of those kids feeding into Sherwood if the privates don't get them first. It also allows Sherwood to make connections with 1 feeder program instead of having to worry about trying to draw players from both organizations. This means more kids in Olney jerseys at Sherwood games and more local kids playing football at Sherwood. The problem with RFL is those youth teams don't feed into public high schools. Blessed Sacrement (BS) is mostly private school kids, the Rockville Bears are run by Andy Stefanelli, the head coach at Good Counsel, and Sandy Spring is hanging on by a thread and has very few local kids playing for them. Sherwood should push Olney to rebrand to match Sherwood to deepen the bond
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Post by oldmoco on Oct 11, 2019 18:47:26 GMT -2
Having coached a good amount at Olney/OBGC. OBGC has tried to run a camp with Sherwood the last several years with minimal success. It isn't that Olney doesn't want local kids and I think most are local but they do get kids from other areas and certainly are not going to turn them down either. It is more that the area does span a few different school districts. OBGC fields are just as close to Magruder as they are to Sherwood. Pus so many Olney area kids go to private schools. The 13U team from last year has 6 or 7 kids contributing on Sherwood JV but also kids playing for 3 or 4 other public schools and at least 3 area private schools. I believe almost all of those kids live in or near Olney. This i a problem Olney football has had for many years. Good thing is though a lot of former Olney kids are contributing at Sherwood. The current 13U team is not having a great season but they do have a few players and they lost a lot of players from their team last season who were OBL's or just in a grade older with a young birthday, plus they have a large roster which isn't always a plus in youth football. I don't believe the current SS team is there cause they knew Olney wouldn't be good, I think it is more they (or their parents) didn't want to play for Olney and /or were worried about playing time at Olney.
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Post by statechamp1986 on Oct 12, 2019 10:41:53 GMT -2
The real key is having boundary rules. If you don't live at an address that feeds Sherwood, then you can't play on the "A" team. In today's day and age nobody wants to enforce this rule, but it works. It also protects the interests of the kids in the community.
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Post by panthers97 on Oct 12, 2019 21:17:01 GMT -2
The real key is having boundary rules. If you don't live at an address that feeds Sherwood, then you can't play on the "A" team. In today's day and age nobody wants to enforce this rule, but it works. It also protects the interests of the kids in the community. That's hard to do in Olney due to the situation at Farquhar Middle School. Farquhar feeds into Sherwood and the NEC consortium. This means a kid can live in Olney and not go to Sherwood. IMO, Sherwood should get all the Farquhar kids. Make Briggs Chaney middle school the base school for Blake, it's closer to Blake than PB and PB still has Benjamin Banneker middle school and kids from Briggs Chaney middle school can still go to PB since it's a consortium. what happened to farquhar?
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Post by desertfox1 on Oct 17, 2019 8:48:20 GMT -2
I could be wrong and you would probably know better than me Trenches, but I heard from someone the other day that Sandy Spring football is pretty much done. They only have 1 team left with few players and it is a 13U team. Again I got this info second hand, so could be wrong. Is this true? I have coached in the MVYFL, Mid Maryland, RFL, and CCYFL. I think for the most part it is cyclical and there are good and not so good teams in each. Capital Beltway and Mid-Maryland always have some very good athletes and teams. I think currently CCYFL is probably slightly (very slightly) ahead of MVYFL and RFL due to a few of the programs they have, but overall all three are probably relatively close. Either way each of the high schools that have feeder programs from any of these leagues are in a much better place. Really only takes 4-6 decent players from each of these leagues to feed into a high school each year to help them out, more is better of course (Damascus). There is currently no Montgomery County league but I have heard grumblings, so never say never. There are definitely enough programs in Montgomery county to make it happen, we will see. RFL may disagree and say they are one, but I think RFL is slightly different, everyone playing on the same field is one difference for sure. I wouldn't doubt it. I have seen Sandy Spring coaches going over to Olney and Sandy Spring players going over to Olney. The problem Sandy Spring has is that they would rather win football games with kids who are not local than be a feeder program. This has come back to bite them, because when the non-local all star kids stopped playing for Sandy Spring, all the local kids had switched over to Olney so they could actually play. Not having a lot of local kids also meant that Sandy Spring doesn't get much help from Sherwood in terms of camps and letting Sandy Spring use the field from time to time. Sandy Spring was left with their you know what in their hands and joined the RFL because they don't have their own fields like Olney does. Now, they're failing because they made a deal with the devil, win football games in the short term with non-local kids and suffer long term when local kids wise up and switch over to Olney. I'm afraid this isn't going to get much better for Sandy Spring either. The only reason I can fathom for why they are able to field a 13U team is because Olney's 13U team is 0-5 and Sandy Spring has likely lumped together they're 12 and 13 year olds in 13U. You look at the 10U and 11U Olney teams, they are both top teams in the CCYFL, so by the time those kids are 12 and 13, Sandy Spring might not have a football program anymore. I think this is better for Sherwood football and youth football in Olney and Sandy Spring as a whole. Not splitting kids with Sandy Spring means Olney doesn't have to bring in as many non-local kids and in turn leads to a lot of those kids feeding into Sherwood if the privates don't get them first. It also allows Sherwood to make connections with 1 feeder program instead of having to worry about trying to draw players from both organizations. This means more kids in Olney jerseys at Sherwood games and more local kids playing football at Sherwood. The problem with RFL is those youth teams don't feed into public high schools. Blessed Sacrement (BS) is mostly private school kids, the Rockville Bears are run by Andy Stefanelli, the head coach at Good Counsel, and Sandy Spring is hanging on by a thread and has very few local kids playing for them.
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Post by naminute on Oct 31, 2019 10:00:54 GMT -2
We're in the MVYFL which seems competitive with Linganore, Middletown, Urbana, Oakdale, Walkersville and other strong feeder programs. How do other leagues around the DMV compare? i.e. What league(s) are QO and NW feeder programs in...does MoCo have their own league? Damascus used to be in MVFL but left (anyone know the real reason?) for CCYFL where Clarksburg and Olney are in. All leagues have a few teams that are good and some that are not as competitive. But the most competitive and talented league overall is Metro AYF, Followed by the Capital Beltway league, then Mid Maryland. CCYFL teams left Mid Maryland primarily because they could not compete at the highest level. The RFL has low numbers teams/kids, at the smaller age groups 6,7,8,9 they played 8 man football which is not good for teaching the kids the game the right way...You league MVYFL which has former Mid Maryland teams such as Oakdalw, Linganore and Urbana is probably comptative amongst one another but when the teams I mentioned were in Mid Maryland they were below average and could not really compete. The game speeds up the further south you go at the youth level.
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Post by hambonepack on Oct 31, 2019 13:39:12 GMT -2
All leagues have a few teams that are good and some that are not as competitive. But the most competitive and talented league overall is Metro AYF, Followed by the Capital Beltway league, then Mid Maryland. CCYFL teams left Mid Maryland primarily because they could not compete at the highest level. The RFL has low numbers teams/kids, at the smaller age groups 6,7,8,9 they played 8 man football which is not good for teaching the kids the game the right way...You league MVYFL which has former Mid Maryland teams such as Oakdalw, Linganore and Urbana is probably comptative amongst one another but when the teams I mentioned were in Mid Maryland they were below average and could not really compete. The game speeds up the further south you go at the youth level. Olney didn't leave the Mid Maryland because they couldn't compete, they left the mid Maryland league because they had problems with the league banning them from the playoffs for being too good, so the opposite of what you're saying is true. olney.wusa9.com/news/news/393031-olney-boys-football-team-banned-playoffsIf you are referring to what I think you are referring too, Olney was loading the lower team with studs and the upper team with duds. Maybe you are referring to something totally different?
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Post by hambonepack on Oct 31, 2019 13:51:46 GMT -2
If you are referring to what I think you are referring too, Olney was loading the lower team with studs and the upper team with duds. Maybe you are referring to something totally different? That is the situation I was referring to, but I don't think that was the case. I know that shortly after that they left the Mid Maryland league and joined the CCYFL because the parents and the higher ups at OBGC didn't like the fact they were banned from the playoffs, kind of hard to return to a league after they banned you from the playoffs for being too good. Trust me, that was the case, I was coaching other sports at OBGC during that time period and I was privy to information about what was going down with some of the teams from leadership within OBGC. What they did was an ethical violation of the intended purpose of the National and Liberty level teams. You don't load Sherwoods JV team with varsity level players and put the JV level payers on Varsity, that's what this was a close equivalent of.
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Post by oldmoco on Oct 31, 2019 14:58:38 GMT -2
All leagues have a few teams that are good and some that are not as competitive. But the most competitive and talented league overall is Metro AYF, Followed by the Capital Beltway league, then Mid Maryland. CCYFL teams left Mid Maryland primarily because they could not compete at the highest level. The RFL has low numbers teams/kids, at the smaller age groups 6,7,8,9 they played 8 man football which is not good for teaching the kids the game the right way...You league MVYFL which has former Mid Maryland teams such as Oakdalw, Linganore and Urbana is probably comptative amongst one another but when the teams I mentioned were in Mid Maryland they were below average and could not really compete. The game speeds up the further south you go at the youth level. Olney didn't leave the Mid Maryland because they couldn't compete, they left the mid Maryland league because they had problems with the league banning them from the playoffs for being too good, so the opposite of what you're saying is true. olney.wusa9.com/news/news/393031-olney-boys-football-team-banned-playoffsSince I was around at that time and involved I can say you are 100% correct. Olney left due to differences with Mid-MD. Not to bring up old wounds but in Olney's eyes Mid-MD completed mishandled the situation and mistreated OBGC (especially the kids). There was certainly other factors but this was a big one, not being competitive was not a factor and simply not true. I believe Olney had a couple of teams win their divisions SB the year we left. Except for the occasional team Olney was not an "A" level program at Mid-MD mostly because of the size of the program and a few other factors, this was not new and was totally fine.
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Post by oldmoco on Oct 31, 2019 15:01:47 GMT -2
That is the situation I was referring to, but I don't think that was the case. I know that shortly after that they left the Mid Maryland league and joined the CCYFL because the parents and the higher ups at OBGC didn't like the fact they were banned from the playoffs, kind of hard to return to a league after they banned you from the playoffs for being too good. Trust me, that was the case, I was coaching other sports at OBGC during that time period and I was privy to information about what was going down with some of the teams from leadership within OBGC. What they did was an ethical violation of the intended purpose of the National and Liberty level teams. You don't load Sherwoods JV team with varsity level players and put the JV level payers on Varsity, that's what this was a close equivalent of. This is simply not true. I was on the leadership at OBGC and very involved. I am sure we must know each other but I can tell you for sure you are incorrect. That is not what happened at all. Yes there were some B teas that were good while A was not but there were so many other factors, including the fact that those B team had been together for a while. Also the fact that the Olney A teams were at a disadvantage against a lot of other larger programs. Again this is an old wound and still bothers a lot of us today. I am sure you will say I am wrong or you know better, but I know I was there at every meeting and very involved and I completely disagree with you.
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Post by hambonepack on Oct 31, 2019 15:05:34 GMT -2
Trust me, that was the case, I was coaching other sports at OBGC during that time period and I was privy to information about what was going down with some of the teams from leadership within OBGC. What they did was an ethical violation of the intended purpose of the National and Liberty level teams. You don't load Sherwoods JV team with varsity level players and put the JV level payers on Varsity, that's what this was a close equivalent of. This is simply not true. I was on the leadership at OBGC and very involved. I am sure we must know each other but I can tell you for sure you are incorrect. That is not what happened at all. Yes there were some B teas that were good while A was not but there were so many other factors, including the fact that those B team had been together for a while. Also the fact that the Olney A teams were at a disadvantage against a lot of other larger programs. Again this is an old wound and still bothers a lot of us today. I am sure you will say I am wrong or you know better, but I know I was there at every meeting and very involved and I completely disagree with you. we will have to agree to disagree.
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Post by mdhsfbfan on Oct 31, 2019 21:43:01 GMT -2
Stacking lower-division teams was definitely a problem in MMYFL. Usually because of Dad-coaches agreeing to take-on a team without accepting it's role in the hierarchy.
A bigger problem in Mid Maryland, in my experience, was that the playback rules were very poorly thought-out and there were programs that definitely took advantage of it. It was legal to push kids down to a younger age group even though they weren't really undersized at their own level and would be larger than average playing down. The threshold was just way too high and everybody knew it.
I know for a fact that Germantown, in the American division, would across the board push a few of the best athletes down to stack their younger teams. Of course that meant that their varsity teams were usually awful but they seemed fine with that if they could dominate everywhere else. Anyway, if the league finally decided to start punishing folks for those types of abuses then I'm glad to hear it.
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Post by commish210 on Nov 1, 2019 11:43:57 GMT -2
I was the football commissioner for OBGC when Mid Maryland did not allow our B(Liberty) teams to participate in the playoffs. OBGC did not purposely stack the Liberty teams. We had groups of parents at different age groups who deceided not to allow their kids play up at the A ( National ) level. They felt that even with their kids playing at the A level the teams would not be competitive and didnt want them to get hurt or crushed every week so they held them back. I had numerous conversations with them during tryouts but they held firm and would not let them play up. I alerted Mid Maryland to this during tryouts and before the season started. I told the leadership we would have several competitive teams at the A level and several that would not be. Like most other programs our numbers had dropped and we were not in a postition to tell the parents that their kid had to play up on the A level or go somewhere else. We were not going to force a parent to have their kid play on a certain team. The Mid Maryland board didnt vote to not allow the B teams to play in the playoffs, it was the other clubs who voted not to allow the teams to play in the playoffs. I stepped down after that season but remained close to the program. OBGC left Mid Maryland for a variety of reasons a few seasons after this went down. With numbers dropping they needed to play in a league that was comparable to the talent and numbers that they had. I understand the program has since a slight increase in numbers and wish them well.
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