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Post by lurker on Nov 15, 2023 16:23:00 GMT -2
Wrong. There was no forfeit until its was deemed a flowers vs Roose game.... At which time. The females on Roose staff went to pg ad whining.... As far as 7v7 pg and khalil. Who cares. Its 7v7.... As far as khalil hes not eligible or ineligible in june..... So what's your point.... Ultimately during season pg bumped all mid year transfer for wise and flowers. (Oxon hill and Roose crying to wives again in pg ad) who correctly or incorrectly disqualified khalil... I have no idea where he lived at that moment. Point being. Roose held on to a disqualify card incase they had to play flowers in playoffs. Every coaching staff in pg on Aug 1 knew who the kid in question is... Everyone. But they waited to enforce it. Like clowns 🤡 Come on D, the second Wise beat Flowers in week-7 I think it was, it was near certain Flowers and Rossevelt would face off in playoff round-2 as #2 and #3 seeds. But I just do not understand why you think Roosevelt was in such great fear of losing in the playoffs and within the first two rounds and to Flowers. Rossevelt has always lost within the first two rounds but have lost so much more often to Wise. You are whacked to summize Roosevelt fear losing and to Flowers. The care about Khalil and 7v7 is to illustrate that the concerns about who was playing with whom happened long before you say after week-1. I'm saying folks - "everyone knew" as you phrase it, was aware what was going on and perhaps someone had enough of it and had the knuts to do something about it and in collateral damage has you hot under the collar. By the way, I just texted two head coaches asking them just by name if they know the 5th-year player and both said no. So you are mistakened to again say "EVERY" coaching staff in PG knew the kid and that he was a 5th-year player. But understand what you are saying FaceD. If all PG coaching staffs knew Flowers had a 5th-year player, then so did Flowers itself and that means Flowers was complicit in the wrong doing. Is that really what you mean FaceD; was Flowers party to what happened.....
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Post by facedown on Nov 15, 2023 16:49:38 GMT -2
Message me. I will tell u who the player is....
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Post by lurker on Nov 15, 2023 16:58:24 GMT -2
Message me. I will tell u who the player is.... I know of the former Bullis player. I messaged a couple PG coaches with that name and they did not know him or know of him. There are hundreds and hundreds of kids playing ball each year and coaches --- no one knows them all. Hell, unless most are in uniform with big numbers, I would not know recognize them in street clothes standing two feet in front of me.
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Post by themamba on Nov 15, 2023 17:13:45 GMT -2
I know who the player is, and didn’t know it was his fifth year. There were more than a handful of notable players listed as juniors last year and for whatever reason didn’t play with their team this year, including another on Flowers, and as mentioned, two on QO.
With the pandemic, it was easy to lose track of who was when. These days, it gets exponentially harder as easy as those transfer portal doors swing back and forth. This was the fifth school for this player, and fourth team. Three different teams/schools his first three years, and Flowers the last two years. Every publication had him listed as a junior last season.
Turns out, he didn’t put the first on his transcript. That’s on him. Still, the Jaguars aren’t upset with their teammate.
There’s been nothing shown that Coach Powell knew anything about the first school. He played two full seasons until this. Several schools knew or heard rumblings of an investigation, but apparently Flowers didn’t know anything about it until the ruling was rendered. They weren’t contacted at any time, according to Coach Powell.
The timing, ahh the timing. As mentioned, Wilkins was ruled ineligible the day of the Eleanor Roosevelt game. He went to Wise the last month of ‘22-23, did the 7-on-7s, pre-season, opening game, then the ruling. With the Flowers kid, they had all season to figure it out, but waited until the second round playoff game with E Roos’. Had they ruled 7 days or 100 days before, those other 35 seniors on the Jags would still be playing. Perhaps 2-9, but still playing, nonetheless.
The relationships between the PG AD and the ER HC and the PG Asst. AD and the ER assistant is a terrible look, no matter how you slice it. Just a bad look altogether for PG.
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Post by lurker on Nov 15, 2023 18:15:34 GMT -2
PG football has had some bad looks over decades going back to when Friendly was waxing the floor with every one until it was discovered an assistant coach allowed his address near Friendly to be used to register kids. Wasn't a Roosevelt head coach banned for life before or around that same Friendly time for bringing in otherwise ineligible players....
What appears to me that happens is once the dust settles on such things, some go right back to their old ways, what they learned early on how to play the game.
In the instant 5th-year matter, I think it was PG "senior" players going off to play at privates so not a problem. But here, a player listed on a 2019 roster and class of 2023, not just a 5th-year player but should have graduated last year in the 4-years of high school plan, put a nail in the coffin of knew or should have known. It sounds harsh but what it is. But all the while the 5th year players was padding things for his college opportunities, it could have denied another to shine and has denied all of Flowers to shine at this time. And all because some adults did not exercise due diligence in oversight of these things. Instead of trying to figure out if a player is a senior, junior, sophomore or whatever, how about just determing a players age - his birthday and when they started high school and start the 4-year countdown clock.
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Post by themamba on Nov 15, 2023 19:59:04 GMT -2
PG football has had some bad looks over decades going back to when Friendly was waxing the floor with every one until it was discovered an assistant coach allowed his address near Friendly to be used to register kids. Wasn't a Roosevelt head coach banned for life before or around that same Friendly time for bringing in otherwise ineligible players.... What appears to me that happens is once the dust settles on such things, some go right back to their old ways, what they learned early on how to play the game. In the instant 5th-year matter, I think it was PG "senior" players going off to play at privates so not a problem. But here, a player listed on a 2019 roster and class of 2023, not just a 5th-year player but should have graduated last year in the 4-years of high school plan, put a nail in the coffin of knew or should have known. It sounds harsh but what it is. But all the while the 5th year players was padding things for his college opportunities, it could have denied another to shine and has denied all of Flowers to shine at this time. And all because some adults did not exercise due diligence in oversight of these things. Instead of trying to figure out if a player is a senior, junior, sophomore or whatever, how about just determing a players age - his birthday and when they started high school and start the 4-year countdown clock. Obviously, those adults dropped the ball twice - in August of ‘22, when his transcripts were delivered, and August of ‘23, when he was cleared to play.
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Post by lurker on Nov 15, 2023 20:06:39 GMT -2
PG football has had some bad looks over decades going back to when Friendly was waxing the floor with every one until it was discovered an assistant coach allowed his address near Friendly to be used to register kids. Wasn't a Roosevelt head coach banned for life before or around that same Friendly time for bringing in otherwise ineligible players.... What appears to me that happens is once the dust settles on such things, some go right back to their old ways, what they learned early on how to play the game. In the instant 5th-year matter, I think it was PG "senior" players going off to play at privates so not a problem. But here, a player listed on a 2019 roster and class of 2023, not just a 5th-year player but should have graduated last year in the 4-years of high school plan, put a nail in the coffin of knew or should have known. It sounds harsh but what it is. But all the while the 5th year players was padding things for his college opportunities, it could have denied another to shine and has denied all of Flowers to shine at this time. And all because some adults did not exercise due diligence in oversight of these things. Instead of trying to figure out if a player is a senior, junior, sophomore or whatever, how about just determing a players age - his birthday and when they started high school and start the 4-year countdown clock. Obviously, those adults dropped the ball twice - in August of ‘22, when his transcripts were delivered, and August of ‘23, when he was cleared to play. Please explain the transcript piece to me, I assume you are talking about academic transcript, as I do not see that nexus to sports.
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Post by themamba on Nov 15, 2023 20:09:00 GMT -2
Obviously, those adults dropped the ball twice - in August of ‘22, when his transcripts were delivered, and August of ‘23, when he was cleared to play. Please explain the transcript peace to me, Iassume you are talking about academic transcript, as I do not see that nexus to sports. Yes, the first school was not on the transcript, and it wasn’t questioned until 13-15 months later, depending on how long this ‘investigation’ lasted prior to the forfeit of the E Roos’ game, last Friday. Mind you, coaches aren’t the ones that say ‘yea, he’s good to go’.
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Post by shonuff07 on Nov 15, 2023 20:39:41 GMT -2
I know who the player is, and didn’t know it was his fifth year. There were more than a handful of notable players listed as juniors last year and for whatever reason didn’t play with their team this year, including another on Flowers, and as mentioned, two on QO. With the pandemic, it was easy to lose track of who was when. These days, it gets exponentially harder as easy as those transfer portal doors swing back and forth. This was the fifth school for this player, and fourth team. Three different teams/schools his first three years, and Flowers the last two years. Every publication had him listed as a junior last season. Turns out, he didn’t put the first on his transcript. That’s on him. Still, the Jaguars aren’t upset with their teammate. There’s been nothing shown that Coach Powell knew anything about the first school. He played two full seasons until this. Several schools knew or heard rumblings of an investigation, but apparently Flowers didn’t know anything about it until the ruling was rendered. They weren’t contacted at any time, according to Coach Powell. The timing, ahh the timing. As mentioned, Wilkins was ruled ineligible the day of the Eleanor Roosevelt game. He went to Wise the last month of ‘22-23, did the 7-on-7s, pre-season, opening game, then the ruling. With the Flowers kid, they had all season to figure it out, but waited until the second round playoff game with E Roos’. Had they ruled 7 days or 100 days before, those other 35 seniors on the Jags would still be playing. Perhaps 2-9, but still playing, nonetheless.The relationships between the PG AD and the ER HC and the PG Asst. AD and the ER assistant is a terrible look, no matter how you slice it. Just a bad look altogether for PG. If the kid and/or parent was wrong, whether it was a mistake or on purpose, then punish the kid, but in a timely matter. However, to "possibly wait on purpose" until the 2nd round of the playoffs to punish the rest of the Flowers football team who did not have anything to do with this issue is just not cool at all. Just disappointed how grown ups act at times. Thanks themamba for the details. Been wondering what actualiy caused the rest of season forfeit.
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Post by themamba on Nov 15, 2023 20:55:14 GMT -2
That’s where I’m at, and been at since last Friday. If it’s your fifth year, you’re ineligible. He and the parent or guardian are to blame. The Covid period made things even more blurry. Some may have sought a perceived loophole, and some may not know about four in four years, who knows.
But, with the timing, and the multiple relationships involved, whatever the intentions, it certainly looks from afar that ‘they’ held the ‘Little Joker’ and the ‘Big Joker’ in the same hand. The ‘Little Joker’ came in week two, with Wise and Wilkins, then the ‘Big Joker’ dropped the hammer on Flowers in week 11.
That’s the thing. August would have given them 12 months to figure it out. Then, nine weeks all season to figure out something. But, no, we’ve come to a conclusion on game day in week 11.
You can’t make it up.
One of my closest friends I graduated with from Oakland Mills has a son on the team, the starting center, Christian Blackwell. Will be playing at Sacred Heart next year. Very good center, but just 6’0. Even better kid. He was crushed. Like his teammates, tears and everything. They knew nothing about the investigation, the ‘19 season, or the ‘Big Joker’.
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Post by lurker on Nov 15, 2023 21:35:07 GMT -2
You guys are making things clearer and clearer to me with every post but somethings are still blurry or I see some things as assumed as opposed to facts.
Tell me or clarify the statement of "..the first school was not on the transcript..." What 1st school or how many schools did the player attend and how many years was he at Flowers? Someone, maybe you mamba said the player did not put the 1st school on the transcript. Did the player really control what was not on his transcript? Is the information that the player was "...cleared in August 2023..." a statement of fact or hearsay from someone as things even stated on this board is repeated as fact some times? Why was he cleared in August; was there an eligibility question that demanded he be cleared or were all players cleared?
And how would you all suggest just punishing a kid who played ineligible when forfeit is the minimum actions?
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Post by facedown on Nov 15, 2023 21:37:11 GMT -2
Basically Roose staff are a bunch of female 🤡🤡's
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Post by lurker on Nov 15, 2023 21:47:15 GMT -2
Basically Roose staff are a bunch of female 🤡🤡's You add absolutely nothing of value to the dialog with all the trite Roosevelt are females banter FaceD. Come on and do better. First, tell us how YOU know it was Roosevelt who turned in Flowers and submit foundation that it was done in a timed manner to cause this max adverse impact. Add substance to the dialogue for us all to understand better instead of the Roosevelt are females kiddieland nonsense.
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Post by numbers on Nov 15, 2023 21:48:15 GMT -2
Wrong. There was no forfeit until its was deemed a flowers vs Roose game.... At which time. The females on Roose staff went to pg ad whining.... As far as 7v7 pg and khalil. Who cares. Its 7v7.... As far as khalil hes not eligible or ineligible in june..... So what's your point.... Ultimately during season pg bumped all mid year transfer for wise and flowers. (Oxon hill and Roose crying to wives again in pg ad) who correctly or incorrectly disqualified khalil... I have no idea where he lived at that moment. Point being. Roose held on to a disqualify card incase they had to play flowers in playoffs. Every coaching staff in pg on Aug 1 knew who the kid in question is... Everyone. But they waited to enforce it. Like clowns 🤡 Come on D, the second Wise beat Flowers in week-7 I think it was, it was near certain Flowers and Rossevelt would face off in playoff round-2 as #2 and #3 seeds. But I just do not understand why you think Roosevelt was in such great fear of losing in the playoffs and within the first two rounds and to Flowers. Rossevelt has always lost within the first two rounds but have lost so much more often to Wise. You are whacked to summize Roosevelt fear losing and to Flowers. The care about Khalil and 7v7 is to illustrate that the concerns about who was playing with whom happened long before you say after week-1. I'm saying folks - "everyone knew" as you phrase it, was aware what was going on and perhaps someone had enough of it and had the knuts to do something about it and in collateral damage has you hot under the collar. By the way, I just texted two head coaches asking them just by name if they know the 5th-year player and both said no. So you are mistakened to again say "EVERY" coaching staff in PG knew the kid and that he was a 5th-year player. But understand what you are saying FaceD. If all PG coaching staffs knew Flowers had a 5th-year player, then so did Flowers itself and that means Flowers was complicit in the wrong doing. Is that really what you mean FaceD; was Flowers party to what happened..... Most of the coaches in pg knew lurk. That s*** came from rose. A rose coach even followed Khalil to see where he lived. Right After Wise first game lol imma just leave at that. Roosevelt didn't want no smoke with Flowers. Coward move but Flowers f***** up by hiding a 5th year sr who is a honor student in special ed classes huge red flag. Roosevelt dead wrong for that. I wish flowers would have pulled him off the team. When they informed flowers coach about loyld being a 5th year Sr and couldn't play. Good thing he's committed to Maryland.
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Post by facedown on Nov 15, 2023 21:52:03 GMT -2
Numbs. Don't give out to much info...
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