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Post by standeeman on Nov 14, 2022 13:00:37 GMT -2
Both teams came with high expectations, but I believe Douglass was more a disappointment!!!
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Post by lurker on Nov 14, 2022 14:36:28 GMT -2
Nah, I don't see Douglass as the disappointment you see. They won states last year of course but they did so as one of the lower seed teams needing to defeat the #1 seeds of three regions. But they had senior homerun all-county runningbacks in #2 and #3, the all-county 6' 3" receiver - the coach's son who got Douglass in the final last year with the great last minute TD catch to pull the game out for Douglass against Oakland Mill, and it's nearly impossible to replace the county small school player of the year in #5. Those seniors propelled the returning QB to have been selected the QB of the year last year.
Sure it was a disappointment that Douglass did not beat lesser Huntingtown but that's not a disappoiontment in the team. They simply did not have the game closers as last year that was shown when Douglass marched down the field for the win against Potomac but did not close the deal. It was shown again in Douglass not closing out Huntingtown up with just minutes left in the game.
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Post by jvhotboy1 on Nov 14, 2022 16:46:47 GMT -2
Douglass, but only because I thought they could make another run to states. I don't think most people think as highly of Bowie, as others in this forum do.
I think one team to keep an eye on next year is Eleanor Roosevelt, they put a scare into Flowers early going up 20-7, before Flowers kicked it into gear. Something they can build on for next year.
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Post by facedown on Nov 14, 2022 17:51:56 GMT -2
Its definitely Douglas.... Bowie and Roose are borderline trash
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Post by dcsupersid on Nov 14, 2022 18:34:58 GMT -2
Definitely Douglass. Although they were overrated all year (by some people, lol), you still don't expect them to go out this early - especially losing at home. Nobody expected Bowie to advance very far in 4A.
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Post by jvhotboy1 on Nov 14, 2022 19:26:40 GMT -2
Douglass last two playoff losses (I believe 2019, and 2022) were OT games have actually been home games played at Wise. Which basically becomes a neutral site game.
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Post by numbers on Nov 14, 2022 23:29:40 GMT -2
Douglass last two playoff losses (I believe 2019, and 2022) were OT games have actually been home games played at Wise. Which basically becomes a neutral site game. How ain't wise right down the street?? |
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Post by dcsupersid on Nov 15, 2022 10:55:34 GMT -2
Douglass last two playoff losses (I believe 2019, and 2022) were OT games have actually been home games played at Wise. Which basically becomes a neutral site game. How ain't wise right down the street?? I think he's saying they don't get a true home field advantage because the game wasn't played at Douglass. But like somebody else noted last week, the Douglass field is so bad and small it's not a good location for a playoff game. And then it rained the day before so the field would have been a muddy mess |
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Post by Nomad on Nov 15, 2022 13:22:46 GMT -2
From the outside looking in, I say Douglass.
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Post by standeeman on Nov 15, 2022 14:43:57 GMT -2
I have seen every game Douglass has played this season and the pass defense has been the biggest issue. I knew they had problem, 1st against Potomac and 2nd against LaPlata. Potomac had a 4th and a mile and connected for a 80yd touchdown and Douglass was in a cover 2. LaPlata had 0 wins, but they were able to throw all over Douglass. On LaPlata's 1st series they were able throw the ball right down Douglass's throat and if LaPlata's coach had of just stuck with the pass, they may have scored, but he decided to run the ball, why I do not know!!! Number 4 was there for both of those games.
I expected more from Douglass with the amount of skill they had on offense.
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Post by lurker on Nov 15, 2022 17:23:34 GMT -2
I have seen every game Douglass has played this season and the pass defense has been the biggest issue. I knew they had problem, 1st against Potomac and 2nd against LaPlata. Potomac had a 4th and a mile and connected for a 80yd touchdown and Douglass was in a cover 2. LaPlata had 0 wins, but they were able to throw all over Douglass. On LaPlata's 1st series they were able throw the ball right down Douglass's throat and if LaPlata's coach had of just stuck with the pass, they may have scored, but he decided to run the ball, why I do not know!!! Number 4 was there for both of those games. I expected more from Douglass with the amount of skill they had on offense. Your statement is contradicting stan. How can you have seen every Douglass game and know the pass defense was the biggest issue yet expected more with the amount of skill they had on defense?? You say Potomac had 4th and a mile and connected for an 80-yard TD and was in a cover-2. Douglass I have seen for a decade or more pretty much always play a cover-2. That's nothing new. But in the 80-yard Potomac TD, a Douglass safety played extra soft and when the pass was completed, he not only missed making the tackle, he took out in a perfect block his own teammate who could have made the tackle. That play was a catch that probably had a 65-yard untouched YAC. The important point is I think that defender has not started or played much since and I believe that's when Douglass put their one-way QB at two-way QB/safety. So yes I am saying that Douglass had secondary issues they could not sort out and due to lack of DB talent and NOT that they had a great amount of talent; not at DBs. I repeat, Douglass graduated a county Player of the Year last season at corner / safety and a couple other senior DBs. This year Douglass DB corps were JV or scout team players last season. Moreover, in the Huntingtown game I saw, Douglass had trouble dealing with what they are famous doing to others --- The Read Option. Huntingtown racked of tons of yardage running the ball. Again Yes, Huntingtown was successful completing 3rd and a mile passes, but Huntingtown was also successful having 2nd and 2 or 3 or 3rd and 2 or 3 from their runs. |
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Post by lurker on Nov 15, 2022 17:45:22 GMT -2
Definitely Douglass. Although they were overrated all year (by some people, lol), you still don't expect them to go out this early - especially losing at home. Nobody expected Bowie to advance very far in 4A. To a box score only looker, Douglass would after the fact appear to have been overrated but to true students of the game generally in Maryland and specfically PG, Douglass was assessed to be just where they were doing the season. It was a matter of purely how things worked out that Douglass lost to Potomac because Douglass had driven within probably 10-yards of winning the game. And the odds in high school is not good of a team driving 80-yards in a minute or so to win like Huntingtown. Good fortune was not with Douglass this year as last season when those very same situations happenned and Douglass won state. This year was the opoosite and Douglass is out of the tournament but certinly not hater box score lurker overrated like you say Sir Sid..... Just Sayin'  |
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Post by standeeman on Nov 15, 2022 17:52:18 GMT -2
I have seen every game Douglass has played this season and the pass defense has been the biggest issue. I knew they had problem, 1st against Potomac and 2nd against LaPlata. Potomac had a 4th and a mile and connected for a 80yd touchdown and Douglass was in a cover 2. LaPlata had 0 wins, but they were able to throw all over Douglass. On LaPlata's 1st series they were able throw the ball right down Douglass's throat and if LaPlata's coach had of just stuck with the pass, they may have scored, but he decided to run the ball, why I do not know!!! Number 4 was there for both of those games. I expected more from Douglass with the amount of skill they had on offense. Your statement is contradicting stan. How can you have seen every Douglass game and know the pass defense was the biggest issue yet expected more with the amount of skill they had on defense?? You say Potomac had 4th and a mile and connected for an 80-yard TD and was in a cover-2. Douglass I have seen for a decade or more pretty much always play a cover-2. That's nothing new. But in the 80-yard Potomac TD, a Douglass safety played extra soft and when the pass was completed, he not only missed making the tackle, he took out in a perfect block his own teammate who could have made the tackle. That play was a catch that probably had a 65-yard untouched YAC. The important point is I think that defender has not started or played much since and I believe that's when Douglass put their one-way QB at two-way QB/safety. So yes I am saying that Douglass had secondary issues they could not sort out and due to lack of DB talent and NOT that they had a great amount of talent; not at DBs. I repeat, Douglass graduated a county Player of the Year last season at corner / safety and a couple other senior DBs. This year Douglass DB corps were JV or scout team players last season. Moreover, in the Huntingtown game I saw, Douglass had trouble dealing with what they are famous doing to others --- The Read Option. Huntingtown racked of tons of yardage running the ball. Again Yes, Huntingtown was successful completing 3rd and a mile passes, but Huntingtown was also successful having 2nd and 2 or 3 or 3rd and 2 or 3 from their runs. I said "I expected more from Douglass with the amount of skill they had on offense." and Douglass normally sticks #1 in the game on their 3rd and long packages. We noticed the issue with the pass coverage back in the scrimmages, but this brings up another issue for Potomac, Largo and Douglass, they don't have enough challenges during the regular season to prepare them for the post season IMO. I still believe when you run that deep cover two no one should get behind your safeties. Also the Huningtown game was the 1st time all year that I saw Douglass's D-line get push back consistently. |
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Post by lurker on Nov 15, 2022 18:47:53 GMT -2
Your statement is contradicting stan. How can you have seen every Douglass game and know the pass defense was the biggest issue yet expected more with the amount of skill they had on defense?? You say Potomac had 4th and a mile and connected for an 80-yard TD and was in a cover-2. Douglass I have seen for a decade or more pretty much always play a cover-2. That's nothing new. But in the 80-yard Potomac TD, a Douglass safety played extra soft and when the pass was completed, he not only missed making the tackle, he took out in a perfect block his own teammate who could have made the tackle. That play was a catch that probably had a 65-yard untouched YAC. The important point is I think that defender has not started or played much since and I believe that's when Douglass put their one-way QB at two-way QB/safety. So yes I am saying that Douglass had secondary issues they could not sort out and due to lack of DB talent and NOT that they had a great amount of talent; not at DBs. I repeat, Douglass graduated a county Player of the Year last season at corner / safety and a couple other senior DBs. This year Douglass DB corps were JV or scout team players last season. Moreover, in the Huntingtown game I saw, Douglass had trouble dealing with what they are famous doing to others --- The Read Option. Huntingtown racked of tons of yardage running the ball. Again Yes, Huntingtown was successful completing 3rd and a mile passes, but Huntingtown was also successful having 2nd and 2 or 3 or 3rd and 2 or 3 from their runs. I said "I expected more from Douglass with the amount of skill they had on offense." and Douglass normally sticks #1 in the game on their 3rd and long packages. We noticed the issue with the pass coverage back in the scrimmages, but this brings up another issue for Potomac, Largo and Douglass, they don't have enough challenges during the regular season to prepare them for the post season IMO. I still believe when you run that deep cover two no one should get behind your safeties. Also the Huningtown game was the 1st time all year that I saw Douglass's D-line get push back consistently. Yes Yes, you did say expect more from the offense. But clarify, are you saying expected more based on last year's offense or what you saw earlier in the season such that with reps and games, the offense should have been much better??? But stan, Douglass does NOT normanly stick #1, the QB, in the game on their 3rd and long packages. I am fairly positive he has been a one-way QB all his time at Douglass until after the Potomac game this season but I could be mistakened as I sense one of the safeties was not getting the job done and why #1 was on defense at the end of season. As a student of the game and the team, I noticed something offensively at the Huntingtown game I had never seen from Douglass. I had always seen a double wing with Douglass and they would check to go opposite if the QB saw being outnumbered in the direction of attack. But with Huntingtown, Douglass went with a single wing and was often run down from the back side on sweeps. With any defense there are ways to defeat it. You saying in a cover-2 that a receiver should not get behind the safety. But an offense can flood a zone cover-2 and force him to make decisions and the wrong decision. Huntingtown probbingly sent two receivers, one short and one long, in the safety zone in the same angle with respect to the QB. They caught the safety peeking at the mid-distance receiver to complete the long pass. Good effective scheme to me better played by a far more senior experienced safety some times. |
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Post by dcsupersid on Nov 15, 2022 20:22:30 GMT -2
Definitely Douglass. Although they were overrated all year (by some people, lol), you still don't expect them to go out this early - especially losing at home. Nobody expected Bowie to advance very far in 4A. To a box score only looker, Douglass would after the fact appear to have been overrated but to true students of the game generally in Maryland and specfically PG, Douglass was assessed to be just where they were doing the season. It was a matter of purely how things worked out that Douglass lost to Potomac because Douglass had driven within probably 10-yards of winning the game. And the odds in high school is not good of a team driving 80-yards in a minute or so to win like Huntingtown. Good fortune was not with Douglass this year as last season when those very same situations happenned and Douglass won state. This year was the opoosite and Douglass is out of the tournament but certinly not hater box score lurker overrated like you say Sir Sid..... Just Sayin' LOL!!! I know it pains you that Douglass went out like this! Just say you were wrong and move on to the rest of the season. |
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